WWD: As he approaches Jan. 20, it appears that Obama’s influence on our culture is going to go on unendingly. Would you agree?
I.Z.: Because he is so connected to his constituents, I think that will get stronger. I have heard already guys saying they want to dress a little better. I think he’s having that kind of effect. The fact he’s so fit…he wears clothes well because of that. Michelle Obama is concise about her style. I’d be surprised if her style were to change.
WWD: Regarding your poll about Obama’s connection with young adults, does their strong response to smart messages strike you as something new?
I.Z.: I don’t think people always responded to smart messages. When you think about a lot of fashion messages, it’s either really sexy or really slutty sometimes. After eight years of Bush, it feels fresh.
WWD: In terms of smart messages, do any brands come to mind that are noteworthy?
I.Z.: Apple has that. Target is smart. I’m impressed with the Wal-Mart campaign. They don’t make it seem like you’re compromising yourself to shop there. The slogan they’ve got…is great. [“Save money, live better,” launched last September.]
WWD: It’s not that different from the longtime Target ad message, “Expect more, pay less.”
I.Z.: There’s a different nuance to it, because it [Wal-Mart’s campaign] really has nothing to do with design, which in these times seems more superficial. In the last six months, when we’ve done in-home interviews, the mentions of Wal-Mart have changed dramatically. The overall tenor of the comments is much more positive. More people mention the stores look better. They still would not buy fashion there — people go out of their way to mention that.
WWD: Any mentions of the sustainability efforts Wal-Mart has marketed?
WWD: Your poll participants mentioned innovativeness as something they responded to in the Obama message and persona. Any fashion brands you’d sight for innovative messages?
I.Z.: I’ve been very struck by the affiliations Target has been making. The fact they’re still doing Comme des Garçons; now they’re doing Alexander McQueen. I’m still impressed by Uniqlo. Those are the only shopping bags I see consistently when I’m walking downtown.
WWD: Obama’s casual sensibility was a characteristic identified in your poll. Any distinction you’d draw between this now and in the Sixties, when our society had a more anything goes feel to it?
I.Z.: I see this more as being an expression of equality and smarts, so that people who are around you, even though they might be younger than you, are on an equal footing with you. I don’t see it as a rebellion. He’s not a Boomer.
WWD: The traditional definition of the Baby Boom cuts it off at 44. Some generation experts [would put 47-year-old] Obama at the very end of the Baby Boom. He’s been characterized variously as a Boomer, a late Boomer, Generation Jones and as a Generation Xer.
I.Z.: I don’t feel him to be like a Boomer. To me, he’s more like a Gen Xer.
WWD: You cite Trader Joe’s as an example of a brand you think is doing a good job striking an informal tone.
I.Z.: Everyone talks about how Trader Joe’s people are so friendly. They talk about the Hawaiian shirts they wear and how informed they are. I don’t hear people talking about Whole Foods this way.
WWD: Is the advice you’re giving your clients changed given the economy’s eruptions?
I.Z.: People are in such a survival mode. There’s no thinking about even five years out. It’s what’s going to happen in 2009. I’ve been through quite a few recessions in this business and I don’t remember that mode of people not looking out.